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Time Near a Black Hole’s Event Horizon

Also read ‘Tidal Forces inside a black hole’

A clear relativistic description of what happens to time near the event horizon, seen from three different perspectives — the falling astronaut, a hovering observer just above the horizon, and a distant observer far from the black hole.

🧍 Astronaut’s Own Frame (Free-Falling into the Black Hole)

For the astronaut, their proper time \( \tau \) flows normally. Their wristwatch ticks at a steady rate. As they cross the event horizon, they do not feel any sudden change in time — the crossing happens in finite proper time.

Mathematically, for a radial free fall from rest at infinity in Schwarzschild spacetime:

\( \displaystyle \frac{d\tau}{dt} = \sqrt{1 – \frac{2GM}{rc^2}} \)

where \( t \) is Schwarzschild coordinate time (used by a distant observer), \( \tau \) is the astronaut’s proper time, \( r \) is the radial coordinate, and \( r_s = \dfrac{2GM}{c^2} \) is the Schwarzschild radius (event horizon).

As \( r \to r_s \), \( \dfrac{d\tau}{dt} \to 0 \), meaning the astronaut’s clock compared to the distant coordinate time slows to zero. But in their own frame, they smoothly cross the horizon in finite \( \tau \) — nothing special happens locally.

🚀 Hovering Observer Just Above the Event Horizon

Suppose there’s an observer hovering (using rockets) just above \( r = r_s + \epsilon \). For them:

  • Their clock ticks slower than a distant clock due to gravitational time dilation.
  • The closer they hover to the horizon, the stronger their proper acceleration must be to remain at fixed \( r \).

Their proper time relative to Schwarzschild coordinate time is:

\( \displaystyle d\tau_{\text{hover}} = \sqrt{1 – \frac{r_s}{r}} \, dt \)

As \( r \to r_s \), the factor \( \sqrt{1 – \dfrac{r_s}{r}} \to 0 \). So time essentially “freezes” at the horizon for this hovering observer relative to infinity. They would see the astronaut’s clock slow down drastically as the astronaut approaches the horizon.

🌌 Distant Observer (Far Away from the Black Hole)

  • The astronaut’s descent appears to slow down more and more as they approach the horizon.
  • Light signals from the astronaut become increasingly redshifted and arrive more infrequently, taking longer and longer to reach the distant observer.
  • The distant observer never actually sees the astronaut cross the event horizon. Instead, the astronaut seems to asymptotically freeze just outside it, fading due to infinite redshift.

This comes directly from the Schwarzschild coordinate time for radial free fall:

\( \displaystyle t(r) \sim – \frac{r_s}{c} \,\ln \left| \frac{r}{r_s} – 1 \right| + \text{(finite terms)} \)

As \( r \to r_s \), the logarithmic term diverges, meaning it takes infinite Schwarzschild time \( t \) for the astronaut to reach the horizon from the distant observer’s perspective.

📝 Summary Table

Observer Perception of Astronaut’s Time at Horizon Key Effect
Astronaut (free-fall) Normal ticking; crosses in finite proper time Locally smooth crossing
Hovering near horizon Astronaut’s time slows drastically near horizon Extreme gravitational dilation
Distant observer Astronaut appears to freeze at the horizon; redshift \( \to \infty \) Infinite time dilation, signal delay

Want a spacetime diagram (Schwarzschild or Eddington–Finkelstein) illustrating the worldlines and redshifted signals? I can add one.

 

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Tidal Forces inside a black hole https://stationarystates.com/black-holes/tidal-forces-inside-a-black-hole/?utm_source=rss&utm_medium=rss&utm_campaign=tidal-forces-inside-a-black-hole https://stationarystates.com/black-holes/tidal-forces-inside-a-black-hole/#comments Fri, 03 Oct 2025 02:11:52 +0000 https://stationarystates.com/?p=1003 Tidal Forces for a 100 kg Human Falling into Black Holes Tidal Forces for a 100 kg Human Falling into Black Holes We quantify tidal accelerations for a 100 kg person of […]

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Tidal Forces for a 100 kg Human Falling into Black Holes


Tidal Forces for a 100 kg Human Falling into Black Holes

We quantify tidal accelerations for a 100 kg person of length L \approx 2\,\mathrm{m} falling feet-first toward two black holes:
a stellar-mass black hole with M = 10\,M_\odot and a supermassive black hole (SMBH) with M = 4\times 10^{6}\,M_\odot.
Outside the horizon of a non-rotating (Schwarzschild) black hole, the dominant components agree with the Newtonian tidal tensor and scale as r^{-3}.

Tidal gradients used
Radial stretching (head vs. feet): \displaystyle \Delta a_{\rm radial} \approx \frac{2GM}{r^{3}}\,L
Transverse squeezing (side-to-side): \displaystyle \Delta a_{\rm trans} \approx \frac{GM}{r^{3}}\,L
Schwarzschild radius (event horizon): \displaystyle r_s=\frac{2GM}{c^2}

A. Tidal Forces at the Event Horizon

Evaluating the radial gradient at r = r_s gives the compact scaling

    \[ \Delta a_{\rm horizon} \;=\; \frac{c^{6}\,L}{4\,G^{2}\,M^{2}} \;\propto\; M^{-2}. \]

Black hole \Delta a_{\rm horizon} (m/s^2) As multiples of g Force on 100 kg F = m\,\Delta a
Stellar, M=10\,M_\odot \approx 2.06\times 10^{8} \approx 2.1\times 10^{7}\,g \approx 2.06\times 10^{10}\ \mathrm{N}
SMBH, M=4\times 10^{6}\,M_\odot \approx 1.29\times 10^{-3} \approx 1.3\times 10^{-4}\,g \approx 0.13\ \mathrm{N}

Takeaway: Tidal gradients at the horizon fall as 1/M^{2}. For stellar-mass BHs they are enormous; for SMBHs they are tiny at horizon crossing.


B. Where Do Tidal Forces Reach Human-Noticeable Levels?

Set a target gradient a_{\!*} and solve for the radius at which the radial component reaches this value:

    \[ r(a_{\!*}) \;=\; \Bigg(\frac{2GM\,L}{a_{\!*}}\Bigg)^{1/3}. \]

Compare to r_s to see if this occurs outside or inside the horizon.

Chosen thresholds

  • Mild discomfort: a_{\!*}=1\,g=9.81\ \mathrm{m/s^2}
  • Severe: a_{\!*}=10\,g
  • Extreme: a_{\!*}=1000\,g

(1) Stellar BH: M=10\,M_\odot, r_s\approx 2.95\times 10^{4}\ \mathrm{m}

  • 1\,g: r\approx 8.15\times 10^{6}\ \mathrm{m}\ \approx 276\,r_s (outside)
  • 10\,g: r\approx 3.78\times 10^{6}\ \mathrm{m}\ \approx 128\,r_s
  • 1000\,g: r\approx 8.15\times 10^{5}\ \mathrm{m}\ \approx 27.6\,r_s

Implication: A human is torn apart well before reaching the horizon of a stellar-mass BH.

(2) SMBH: M=4\times 10^{6}\,M_\odot, r_s\approx 1.18\times 10^{10}\ \mathrm{m}

  • 1\,g: r\approx 6.00\times 10^{8}\ \mathrm{m}\ \approx 0.0508\,r_s (inside)
  • 10\,g: r\approx 2.79\times 10^{8}\ \mathrm{m}\ \approx 0.0236\,r_s (inside)
  • 1000\,g: r\approx 6.00\times 10^{7}\ \mathrm{m}\ \approx 0.00508\,r_s (deep inside)

Implication: You cross a SMBH horizon with negligible tidal sensation; damaging gradients arise only well inside.


C. Values at Fixed Multiples of the Horizon Radius

Because \Delta a \propto r^{-3}, the gradient grows extremely rapidly as you approach the center.

Case Radius \Delta a (m/s^2) As multiples of g
Stellar 10\,M_\odot r=100\,r_s \approx 206 \approx 21\,g
Stellar 10\,M_\odot r=10\,r_s \approx 2.06\times 10^{5} \approx 2.1\times 10^{4}\,g
SMBH 4\times 10^{6}\,M_\odot r=10\,r_s \approx 1.29\times 10^{-6} \approx 1.3\times 10^{-7}\,g

D. Geodesic Deviation (Curvature View)

The tidal accelerations are encoded by geodesic deviation:

    \[ \frac{D^2 \xi^\mu}{d\tau^2} \;=\; -\, R^\mu_{\ \nu\rho\sigma}\, u^\nu\, \xi^\rho\, u^\sigma, \]

where \xi^\mu is the separation vector between neighboring points on the body, u^\nu the 4-velocity, and R^\mu_{\ \nu\rho\sigma} the Riemann curvature tensor. In Schwarzschild spacetime, the principal components reduce to the gradients used above outside the horizon.


Bottom Line

  • Stellar BH (~10\,M_\odot): lethal tidal gradients occur far outside the horizon.
  • Supermassive BH (~10^{6}10^{9}\,M_\odot): horizon crossing is uneventful; destructive tides arise only well inside.

Want a quick variant with a different body length (e.g., L=1.7\,\mathrm{m}) or a different SMBH mass (e.g., 10^{8}\,M_\odot)? The same formulas apply; only the numbers change via the L and M^{-2} scalings.


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